My Replacement Jar Has the Same External Diameter but Thicker Glass and a Smaller Internal Diameter — Should I Treat It as a New Candle System?
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How much does the inside shrink? By twice the wall change. Illustration: 8.4 cm outside, 3 → 5 mm wall = 7.8 → 7.4 cm inside, melt pool 47.78 cm² → 43.01 cm² (−10.0%), 200 g stands 5.3 mm taller.
Which way does the wick risk go? Toward too strong: a wick sized for a bigger pool can run deeper and hotter in a smaller one, closer to a heavier wall. Bracket down, not up.
How many candles and what cost? Nine — 3 old jar, 3 new jar on the approved wick, 3 new jar on a smaller bracket — with at least one of each burned to the end. CSI materials: ₹2,153.50. See the kit.
Why the outside measurement misleads
A replacement jar with the same external diameter looks like a like-for-like swap: it fits the same lid, the same box, the same shelf and the same label. That is exactly why this change slips through. If the glass is thicker, all of the extra thickness comes out of the inside, and the internal diameter — the one that sets the size of the melt pool — shrinks by twice the wall change, because the wall is on both sides. Your title gives no numbers, so this page uses a labelled illustration: both jars 8.4 cm outside, the old with a 3 mm wall and the new with a 5 mm wall.
| Measure | Old jar (3 mm wall) | New jar (5 mm wall) | Change |
|---|---|---|---|
| Outside diameter | 8.4 cm | 8.4 cm | none |
| Internal diameter = outside − 2 × wall | 7.8 cm | 7.4 cm | −0.4 cm |
| Melt-pool area, π × d² ÷ 4 | 47.78 cm² | 43.01 cm² | −10.0% |
| Wick to glass (radius) | 3.90 cm | 3.70 cm | −0.20 cm |
| Height of 200 g of candle | 4.76 cm | 5.28 cm | +5.3 mm |
| Glass in the wall, per cm of height (annulus area) | 7.63 cm² | 12.41 cm² | +62.6% |
| Candle weight if filled to the old line | 200.0 g | 180.0 g | −20.0 g |
Two things move at once, and they are the reason this is a bigger question than a simple width change. The melt pool gets 10.0% smaller, so the approved wick now has less surface to melt and sits 2 mm closer to the glass all round. And the wall itself contains 63% more glass per centimetre of height — the ring of glass in cross-section grows from 7.63 cm² to 12.41 cm². That is geometry, not a thermal measurement: CSI publishes no thermal data for any jar, and how much heat a particular glass holds depends on the glass itself. But in general practice a heavier wall is commonly described as warming up more slowly and holding heat for longer, which is why the jar-side lines of your test deserve more attention here than in a simple width change.
| Wall | Internal diameter | Melt-pool area | Area vs 3 mm wall | 200 g fill height | Glass per cm of height | Glass vs 3 mm wall |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 mm | 8.0 cm | 50.27 cm² | +5.2% | 4.52 cm | 5.15 cm² | −33% |
| 3 mm | 7.8 cm | 47.78 cm² | +0.0% | 4.76 cm | 7.63 cm² | +0% |
| 4 mm | 7.6 cm | 45.36 cm² | −5.1% | 5.01 cm | 10.05 cm² | +32% |
| 5 mm | 7.4 cm | 43.01 cm² | −10.0% | 5.28 cm | 12.41 cm² | +63% |
| 6 mm | 7.2 cm | 40.72 cm² | −14.8% | 5.58 cm | 14.70 cm² | +93% |
Each extra millimetre of wall takes about 5% off the melt-pool area in a jar this size and adds roughly a third more glass to the wall. So a supplier who says "same size, just a sturdier glass" may be describing a candle with a noticeably smaller pool. The mirror image — same inside, thinner glass — changes only the wall term. For a change that is purely internal diameter, the 7.6 → 7.9 cm hub post has the sensitivity table.
Is it a new candle system? The answer, split
It helps to separate two meanings of "system". The formulation — wax, oil, load, dye, cure — has not changed and does not need to be redeveloped. The burn system — the wick in that formula in that jar — has changed on two counts: a smaller pool and a heavier wall. So the honest answer is: treat the burn system as new, keep the formulation. In practice that means repeating every wick-and-jar test, including the full-life burn, rather than just confirming the early burns as you might for a 3 mm diameter change.
| Test | Verdict | Why |
|---|---|---|
| Oil–wax compatibility at your load | KEEP | Formula unchanged |
| Cure schedule, cold throw | KEEP | Formula unchanged |
| Appearance after cure (tops, glass adhesion) | CONFIRM | Heavier glass cools differently after pouring |
| Time to full melt pool | REPEAT | Pool −10.0% — a smaller pool can reach the wall sooner |
| Melt-pool depth | REPEAT | Smaller pool, same wick: depth can change |
| Flame height, mushrooming, soot | REPEAT | Wick may be relatively over-sized for the pool |
| Jar-side reading, every burn | REPEAT | Wick closer to glass; heavier wall |
| Jar-side reading after the burn ends | NEW | How long the heavier wall stays warm after the flame is out |
| Hot throw, fixed room | REPEAT | Pool size changes release |
| Consumption, g per hour | REPEAT | New label burn time |
| Full-life burn to end of usable wax | REPEAT, every set | Late burns are where a heavier wall and a closer flame combine |
The NEW line is specific to this jar. A thicker wall is commonly described as holding heat after the flame is out, which matters for how the jar feels to a customer who picks it up after snuffing it. You never needed to measure that before because your old jar and your old test were matched. Add one reading five minutes after extinguishing, at the same point on the glass, with the same thermometer. Compare it with the control; there is no absolute number to hit, and CSI does not publish one.
The test: nine candles, full-life on every set
Because the pool is smaller, the sensible bracket goes down, not up. In the worked example the approved wick is Eco Thick C2 and the bracket is Eco Thin C1 — the only two Eco sizes CSI lists. We do not claim either is right for this jar or that they are one step apart for your wax; if your wick comes from a range with more sizes, bracket with the next size down in that range. All three sets go to the end of life, because the late burns are where this particular change is most likely to show.
| Line | How | What a problem looks like here |
|---|---|---|
| Melt-pool depth at end of burn | Marked skewer | Deeper than control, burn after burn |
| Flame height at a fixed time | Ruler behind the flame | Taller than control |
| Mushrooming / soot | 0–3 scale; glass wipe | More carbon than control |
| Jar-side reading during burn | Same thermometer, same point | Higher than control |
| Jar-side reading 5 min after snuffing | Same point | Stays warm longer than control |
| Time to full melt pool | Minutes | Much faster than control can signal an over-sized wick |
| Weight loss ÷ hours | Scale to 0.1 g | Faster burn = shorter label burn time |
| Hot throw, fixed room | 1–5, two noses | Compare only; never trade heat for throw |
The priced test kit
Built from listed, in-stock CSI sizes on the 24 September 2026 pull, using Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 (rated up to 10%) and Sandalwood as the worked example, at our 8% working load with a 5% allowance.
| Item | Need | Buy | Price |
|---|---|---|---|
| Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 | 1,738.8 g | 2 × 1 kg | ₹1,014.80 |
| Sandalwood Fragrance Oil | 151.2 g | 1 × 100 g + 1 × 50 g + 1 × 15 g | ₹867.30 |
| Eco Candle Wicks Thick C2 | 6 approved-wick candles + spares | 1 × 10 | ₹94.40 |
| Eco Candle Wicks Thin C1 | 3 bracket candles + spares | 1 × 10 | ₹59.00 |
| Wick Centering Device | reusable | 1 × 5 | ₹118.00 |
| CSI materials total | ₹2,153.50 | ||
| Surface thermometer for jar readings | one | not sold by CSI — example item only | your own |
| Pack | Price | Per kg |
|---|---|---|
| 500 g | ₹260.00 | ₹520.00 |
| 1 kg | ₹507.40 | ₹507.40 |
| 5 kg | ₹2,537.00 | ₹507.40 |
| 10 kg | ₹5,074.00 | ₹507.40 |
| Pack | Price | Per gram |
|---|---|---|
| 15 g | ₹93.22 | ₹6.21 |
| 50 g | ₹271.40 | ₹5.43 |
| 100 g | ₹502.68 | ₹5.03 |
| 500 g | ₹2,513.40 | ₹5.03 |
| 1 kg | ₹5,026.80 | ₹5.03 |
Decision rule
CSI publishes no numeric flame or jar-temperature limit. The rule is relative: no worse than the approved control on every safety line, within your jar supplier's guidance and the candle fire-safety standard you work to (ASTM F2417 is a commonly cited US one). Set tolerances for the performance lines before you read the data.
| What the new jar shows | Decision | Next step |
|---|---|---|
| Approved wick: every safety line no worse than control, performance within tolerance, clean to the end | PASS — same wick | Release; record wall thickness and inside diameter as part of the jar spec |
| Approved wick runs deeper or hotter; bracket wick matches control on every safety line | PASS — bracket wick | Release on the bracket wick after its full-life candle passes |
| Both wicks run hotter than control after snuffing, or near the base | FAIL — jar | The wall, not the wick, is the difference; reject the jar or ask the supplier for the old glass |
| Results vary widely between new jars | ESCALATE | Wall thickness varies within the lot; measure more jars before deciding |
A FAIL on the jar line is a legitimate result, not a failure of your testing. If both wicks leave the glass warmer than the control, a third wick is unlikely to fix a wall problem, and the right conversation is with the jar supplier. The alternative-container post shows how to score other candidates quickly so that conversation does not stall production.
Record the jar as a specification, not a name
This change happened because the jar was specified by its outside and its name. Close that gap now. Your jar record should carry the outside diameter, the inside diameter at the fill line, the wall thickness range, the base thickness, the internal height and the fill weight — all measured by you, with the date and supplier. The reproducibility-record post shows the format, and the approved-supplier list post explains how to stop purchasing from accepting a "same size" jar without those numbers.
| Field | Old jar | New jar | Who measures |
|---|---|---|---|
| Outside diameter at fill line | 8.4 cm | 8.4 cm | You, caliper |
| Inside diameter at fill line | 7.8 cm | 7.4 cm | You, caliper inside jaws |
| Wall thickness (range over 5 jars) | 3 mm | 5 mm | Calculated |
| Base thickness | measure | measure | You — see the thick-base post |
| Internal height | measure | measure | You, depth gauge |
| Fill weight at your line | 200 g | weigh a test pour | You, scale |
Base thickness is on that list for a reason: jars made with heavier walls are often heavier at the base too. If yours is, the end-of-life part of the test carries even more weight — the thicker-base post covers that directly. For the general list of what to retest after any jar change, see the only-the-jar post.
Related jar changes
If your new jar is thicker-walled and tapers inward toward the base, the smaller pool gets smaller still as it burns down — the narrowing-jar post works that case. If the glass is the same thickness but frosted or coated, the geometry is unchanged and the test changes shape instead: the frosted-glass post. And if the new jar is simply narrower inside with the same wall, the maths on the same-weight post runs in reverse.
CANDLEMAKINGSUPPLIESINDIA supplies raw materials, not jars or thermal data. This page says plainly that a thicker-glass jar needs no new wax or oil from anyone, and that the right result of a test can be "reject the jar" rather than "buy a different wick".
Wax and oil prices are CSI live pricing, pulled on 24 September 2026; wick and tool prices are those verified for Blog 760 on 10 September 2026, rechecked 25 September 2026. Diameters and wall thicknesses are illustrations; internal diameter, melt-pool area, glass annulus and fill height are plain geometry from them. The glass figures are areas, not heat measurements.
The 200 g fill comes from the pattern of this series; the 8% load, 0.88 g/ml wax factor, 5% allowance, three-candle sets, 3–4 hour cycles, 7-day cure and five-minute after-snuff reading are labelled working practices. CSI does not publish jar dimensions, glass thickness, thermal behaviour, wick charts or numeric safety limits. WhatsApp +91 7397976926 for help, GST invoicing, MSDS or IFRA documentation.
Frequently asked questions
- My Jar Supplier Changed the Internal Diameter from 7.6 cm to 7.9 cm — Is That Difference Large Enough to Require New Wick Testing?
- My New Jar Holds the Same 200 g but Is Slightly Wider and Shorter — Can I Use the Same Wick as My Previous Container?
- My New Jar Has a Much Thicker Base — Should I Repeat End-Of-Life Burn Testing Even If the Upper Dimensions Are Unchanged?
- I Changed from Clear Glass to Frosted Glass with the Same Dimensions — Should I Confirm Thermal Behaviour Before Commercial Production?
- My New Jar Narrows Toward the Bottom — Could a Wick That Is Correct at the Top Become Too Powerful Later?
- My Jar Supplier Is Temporarily Out of Stock — How Do I Choose an Alternative Container That Requires the Least Formulation Redevelopment?
- If I Change Only the Jar, Which Tests Should Be Repeated to Confirm Wick Performance and Container Heat Remain Acceptable?
- How Do I Record Exact Wax Product, Fragrance Code, Wick Specification and Jar Dimensions so a Successful Candle Can Be Reproduced Months Later?
Customer reviews: The six reviews at the top of this page are genuine, published Judge.me reviews left by CSI customers on the product pages named on each card — Eco Candle Wicks, Premium Candle Wicking Needle and Bamboo Wick Holder. They are general product reviews, not assessments of the guidance set out here. Names, star ratings, dates and products are as recorded by Judge.me and wording is unedited. "Verified buyer" appears only on the three reviews Judge.me recorded as verified — Monika Deep, Subhankar Roy and Sneha Tamang; the reviews from Ashwini, LJ and Lalitha Jagan are published but not recorded as verified, and carry no badge.
Figures pulled 24 September 2026, CSI live pricing: Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 ₹260.00 / 500 g, ₹507.40 / 1 kg, ₹2,537.00 / 5 kg, ₹5,074.00 / 10 kg (rated up to 10%; CSI guidance 80–90°C). Sandalwood Fragrance Oil ₹93.22 / 15 g, ₹271.40 / 50 g, ₹502.68 / 100 g, ₹2,513.40 / 500 g, ₹5,026.80 / 1 kg. Figures verified 10 September 2026 (Blog 760), wick packs rechecked 25 September 2026: Eco Candle Wicks Thick C2 ₹94.40 / 10, Thin C1 ₹59.00 / 10; Wick Centering Device ₹118.00 / 5; White Matte Glass Jar ₹354.00 / 5; Salsa 200 ml ₹200.60 / 5; Yankee 130 ml ₹47.20 each.
Non-price figures and assumptions: The 8.4 cm outside diameter and 3 mm / 5 mm walls are illustrative. Inside = outside − 2 × wall; area = π × d² ÷ 4; glass per cm = π/4 × (outside² − inside²); fill height = (mass ÷ 0.88 g/ml) ÷ area, the wax factor a labelled approximation. The 200 g fill, 8% load, 5% allowance, three-candle sets, 3–4 hour cycles, 7-day cure and five-minute after-snuff reading are working practices. CSI publishes no jar dimensions, thermal data, wick charts or safety limits. Diwali 2026 falls on 8 November.