My New Jar Has the Same Capacity but a Different Shape — Why Might Glass Adhesion Change?
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What do I test first? A split pour — one batch into three old jars and three new ones, side by side on one rack, photographed at fixed checkpoints.
How do I find the cause? Map the spots by zone (shoulder, upper, middle, lower, heel) on four sides. Spots that cluster in one zone point to a shape feature. See the zone map.
What does it cost? ₹2,995.00 in CSI materials for both rounds, or about ₹193.38 per extra Salsa jar.
Capacity is a volume. Adhesion happens on a surface.
When a candle that behaved in one jar starts spotting in a jar of the same capacity, it feels as though nothing has changed: same wax, same oil, same load, same fill weight. But the wax has a new container around it. A different shape commonly changes four things at once — how much glass each gram of wax touches, how deep the wax sits and therefore how long the centre stays warm compared with the wall, which way the walls lean as the wax contracts, and where the curves, shoulders and heels sit. Any of those can change how and where the wax sets against the glass. None of them is visible on the capacity label.
The single cheapest first test is a split pour: one batch of your normal candle, poured at your normal temperature into three of the old jars and three of the new ones, cooled side by side on the same rack, and photographed at the same checkpoints. If the new jars spot and the old ones do not, the container is implicated — shape, glass or both. If both spot alike, the shape is not your problem and something else moved at the same time; the jar-supplier-change post and the wet-spot diagnosis capstone cover that branch. If the new jars spot, the next step on this page is a zone map: recording exactly where on each jar the spots sit, because shape-driven spots tend to cluster at the shape's features rather than appear at random.
The worked example is a maker moving from a tall straight tumbler they have used for a year to CSI's 200 ml Salsa Glass Jar, filled to the same weighed 170 g — an illustrative figure, because CSI does not publish the Salsa jar's fill weight (200 ml is its brim volume). The candle is 13.6 g of Japanese Cherry Blossom and 156.4 g of Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 at 8%. CSI's Salsa page describes clear glass with a golden lug cap; it does not publish internal dimensions, glass thickness or a hot-pour limit, so every dimension below is illustrative and every measurement that matters is yours.
| What the shape changes | Why it is commonly described as mattering | Where you would expect to see it | How to check |
|---|---|---|---|
| Glass area per gram of wax | More glass per gram means more surface for the wax to set against, and more heat drawn out at the pour | Spots spread across the side walls | Geometry table below; weigh the empty jars |
| Wax depth and centre-to-wall distance | Deeper or wider wax keeps a warm core longer while the wall face sets first; the core then contracts last | Bands in the middle of the wall, or near the base heel | Zone map: upper, middle, lower, base |
| Wall angle | Wax contracting downward and inward can pull away from a wall that leans outward, or hang from a shoulder | Spots on flared walls or just under a shoulder | Zone map plus a note of the wall angle |
| Curves, heels and shoulders | Tight curves and thick moulded heels can cool at different rates from flat glass | Spots at the curve or the base corner | Photograph the curve from four sides |
Three jars that hold the same candle, measured
Geometry is the one part of this problem you can calculate before you pour anything. Take one candle of 170 g. Using a labelled approximate density of about 0.88 g of wax per ml — wax is lighter than water, the figure varies by wax and temperature, and it is used here only to turn weight into a shape — that candle occupies about 193.2 ml. Pour that volume into three illustrative jars: your old tall straight tumbler with a 6.5 cm internal diameter, a wide low tumbler at 7.5 cm, and a flared jar that is 6.0 cm across the base and 8.0 cm across the mouth. The wax depth, the glass it touches and the open top all change, although the candle is identical.
| Shape | Base / mouth | Wax depth | Glass touched (wall + base) | Glass per gram of candle | Open top | Wall angle |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tall straight tumbler (your old jar) | 6.5 / 6.5 cm | 5.82 cm | 152.1 cm² | 0.894 cm² | 33.2 cm² | 0.0° |
| Wide low tumbler | 7.5 / 7.5 cm | 4.37 cm | 147.2 cm² | 0.866 cm² | 44.2 cm² | 0.0° |
| Flared jar, wider at the mouth | 6.0 / 8.0 cm | 4.99 cm | 140.1 cm² | 0.824 cm² | 50.3 cm² | 11.3° |
Read the table across. Moving from the tall tumbler to the wide low one, the wax depth falls by 24.9% and the glass the wax touches falls by 3.2%, while the open top grows by 33.1%. Moving to the flared jar, the glass touched falls by 7.9% and the wall leans out by about 11.3° from vertical. None of these numbers tells you that one shape adheres better — CSI publishes no adhesion data for any jar, and geometry alone predicts nothing about your wax. What the table does is tell you which differences exist, so that when the zone map shows spots in a particular place, you have a mechanism to test rather than a guess.
Two geometric points are worth holding on to. First, a wider jar puts more wax between the centre and the wall at the same depth, so the core can stay warm and keep contracting after the wall face has set. Second, a jar whose walls lean outward gives contracting wax a direction to move away from the glass: as the candle settles downward, a wall that widens upward is no longer pressed against it. A shoulder — a jar that narrows towards the mouth — does the opposite at the top: wax under the shoulder is held from above and can pull down and away from the underside of the curve. These are mechanisms commonly described in candle-making, not measurements of CSI's Salsa jar.
The zone map: where the spots sit tells you what the shape did
A photograph of a spotted jar is evidence; a photograph of eight spotted jars, each scored zone by zone, is a pattern. Divide every jar into five zones you can see through the glass: the shoulder or upper rim band, the upper wall, the middle wall, the lower wall and the base heel where the wall meets the base. Turn the jar to four marked sides — label them A, B, C and D with a marker on the base — and score each zone on each side. That gives twenty cells per jar. A marked acetate sleeve with the zone lines printed on it makes the scoring repeatable from jar to jar.
| Where the spots cluster | What it most often points to | Next single test |
|---|---|---|
| Just under a shoulder or rim curve | Wax pulling down and away from a curve that holds it from above | Pour the same jar to a lower fill line below the shoulder; compare |
| Middle band all round, top and bottom attached | Core contracting after the wall set — depth and width effects | Slower-cooling arm on the same rack; the middle-band post goes deeper |
| Base heel and lower wall | Base cooling fast against a cold surface, or a thick moulded heel | Cool on a rack, not stone or metal; compare |
| One side only (A or C) | Cooling position, a draught, or the jar's own glass | Rotate jars on the rack; see the one-sided post |
| Scattered, no pattern, both jar types | Process or cleaning, not shape | Cleaning arm; go back to the diagnosis ladder |
The point of the map is that it turns "the new jar is worse" into "the new jar is worse in the lower wall and heel on every side", and that second sentence suggests its own next test. It also protects you from blaming the shape when the real cause is the rack position: if the spots move from side A to side C when you rotate the jars on the rack, they follow the room, not the glass. Rotating half the jars by 180° on the second day is a cheap way to check this.
The two-round shape test, jar by jar
Hold everything constant that is not the shape: the same bag of Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464, the same bottle of Japanese Cherry Blossom at 8%, the same wick from the same pack, the same pour temperature, the same cleaning routine and the same rack. Clean every jar of both shapes identically — a wipe with Isopropyl Alcohol Spray and a lint-free cloth, then let them dry completely; isopropyl alcohol is flammable, so keep it away from flame and the melter. CSI's CSI 464 page gives an 80–90°C melt/pour working range. CSI's Salsa page publishes no hot-pour limit, so pick one temperature inside the wax page's range that your current jar already uses, keep it identical for both shapes, and ask the jar supplier — or us on WhatsApp — before pouring at the top of the range.
Three jars per arm is a working practice for a screen, not a statistical rule. Each extra Salsa jar in this example costs about ₹193.38 in CSI materials — the jar at the pack-of-5 rate, 156.4 g of CSI 464 at the 1 kg rate, 13.6 g of Japanese Cherry Blossom at the 100 g rate and an example Eco Thin C1 wick. Going to five jars per arm in round 2 would add ₹773.51. Do it when round 2 gives a close call, not by default.
The zone-map scoring sheet
There is no industry standard for an acceptable wet spot, so the scale is your house standard, written at the top of the sheet before the first pour. The example below grades each zone on each side from 0 to 3, so a perfect jar scores 0 and the worst possible jar scores 60. You can also count squares on a 1 cm acetate grid if you want an area figure; whichever you choose, use it for every shape test that follows so that your records stay comparable.
| Jar no. / side | Shape · arm | Rack position | Shoulder / rim | Upper wall | Middle wall | Lower wall | Base heel | Side total (0–15) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 · A | Old tumbler · control | Row 1, end | _ | _ | _ | _ | _ | __ |
| 1 · B | _ | _ | _ | _ | _ | __ | ||
| 2 · A | Salsa · round 1 | Row 1, 2nd | _ | _ | _ | _ | _ | __ |
| 5 · A | Salsa · round 2 change | Row 2, 1st | _ | _ | _ | _ | _ | __ |
| Room log | Start ___°C · end ___°C | Fan / AC on/off | Wax lot ___ | Oil lot ___ | Jar delivery ___ | Pour ___°C (measured) | Cleaning: IPA, dry |
Add each jar's four side totals for a jar score out of 60, and add the zone columns across all jars of one arm for a zone profile. The jar score answers "which shape is worse?"; the zone profile answers "where?". Write your acceptance rule before pouring — for example, "an arm passes if no jar scores above 4 at 7 days and no zone averages above 1 across the arm". That rule is your labelled choice; no industry figure exists. What to record when comparing adhesion lists the rest of the batch-sheet fields worth keeping.
The priced shape-test kit
Both rounds, priced with listed in-stock CSI packs. Grams use the CSI convention (oil = W × L) with a 5% pour-loss working allowance. Your old tumblers come from your own stock. The Salsa jar is sold in 5s, 50s and 100s; for a test, buy the smallest packs that cover the count.
| Item | Need | Buy | Price | Skip if |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 200 ml Salsa Glass Jar | 9 jars | 2 × pack of 5 | ₹401.20 | You already hold Salsa jars from the delivery you plan to use (better) |
| Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 | 1,970.6 g | 2 × 1 kg | ₹1,014.80 | You hold CSI 464 from your production lot (better) |
| Japanese Cherry Blossom at 8% | 171.4 g | 1 × 100 g + 1 × 50 g + 2 × 15 g | ₹978.00 | You use your own production oil |
| Eco Candle Wicks Thin C1 (example wick) | 12 + 2 spare | 1 × 20 (10-pack out of stock) | ₹118.00 | You hold your production wick |
| Wick stickers | 12 | 1 × sheet of 40 | ₹100.00 | You hold stickers |
| Isopropyl Alcohol Spray | Every jar, same routine | 1 × 150 ml | ₹383.00 | You already clean with IPA |
| CSI total | ₹2,995.00 |
The wick line is an example only. CSI publishes no wick size for any jar, and a new shape re-opens the wick check as well as adhesion: a wider mouth needs a melt pool that reaches further, and a deeper jar changes how the pool develops as the candle burns down. Run that burn test separately from the adhesion jars — never light an adhesion jar before its 30-day photograph.
What the shape costs in production
If the Salsa jar passes, the materials barely move: the candle is still 156.4 g of CSI 464 and 13.6 g of oil. At the 10 kg CSI 464 rate (₹507.40/kg), the 1 kg Japanese Cherry Blossom rate (₹4.84/g), an example Eco Thin C1 wick at ₹5.90 and the Salsa jar at the 100-pack rate (₹29.50), the material cost is ₹180.61 a candle before labour, packaging, freight and GST. The Salsa jar comes with its golden lug cap, so there is no separate lid line.
| Pack | Price | Per jar | Note |
|---|---|---|---|
| Pack of 5 | ₹200.60 | ₹40.12 | Test quantity |
| Pack of 50 | ₹1,475.00 | ₹29.50 | Production |
| Pack of 100 | ₹2,950.00 | ₹29.50 | Production |
Note the step: the pack of 5 works out at ₹40.12 a jar and the 50 and 100 packs at ₹29.50. That is one of the few real per-unit breaks in the jar range, and it is a reason to finish the shape test before ordering 50 — a failed shape bought by the hundred is the expensive outcome. If the test passes only with a change such as a lower fill line, recalculate: a lower fill is a smaller candle at the same jar price, and your price per gram of candle rises.
The decision rule
Read the sheets from the top and stop at the first line that is true. Every line ends in a purchase or a process change.
| If this is true | It means | Do / buy |
|---|---|---|
| Old and new shapes score alike in round 1 | Shape is not the cause | Nothing new. Go back to cleaning, cooling and season |
| New shape worse; spots follow the rack side when rotated | Cooling position, exposed by the new shape | Standardise spacing and position; the spacing post |
| New shape worse in one zone; round 2 change fixes it | A shape feature you can work around | Write the change into the SOP; buy production Salsa jars |
| New shape worse everywhere; no single change fixes it | This shape–wax pair is weak in your process | Keep the old shape, or run a fair wax comparison in the new shape |
| Both shapes pass but the new one needs a lower fill | A smaller candle | Re-price per gram of candle before committing |
A wax purchase appears only on the fourth line, after the shape has been shown to be the cause and a process change has failed to fix it. That order matters because a wax change re-opens wick, load, cure and hot-throw validation for every shape you sell. Whether container shape belongs in wax qualification takes the same idea one level up: if you sell several shapes, which ones does a wax need to pass in?
Record the shape as a container change
A shape change is a container change, and the KEEP / CONFIRM / REPEAT / NEW vocabulary makes the scope obvious. Keep this record with the zone sheets; the next time a delivery of the same jar looks different, you will be able to compare like with like.
| Earlier result | Status | Why |
|---|---|---|
| Wax, oil, 8% load | KEEP | Materials unchanged; adhesion is checked in the new shape first |
| Fill weight and fill line | CONFIRM | The Salsa fill is not published — weigh to your line |
| Pour temperature | CONFIRM | Inside CSI 464's 80–90°C page range; no jar limit published — ask before pouring hot |
| Wick and burn results | REPEAT | Mouth width and depth change pool reach; no wick chart is published |
| Adhesion photos and zone profile | NEW | The reference for every future delivery of this jar |
| Internal dimensions and wall angle | NEW | Measured once, rechecked per delivery |
Keep three numbered jars from the passing arm, unlit, as retained samples, and photograph them again at 30 days. Why one supplier's glass can behave differently, what thicker glass does to the pour and giving every new vessel a small adhesion test are the neighbouring questions; the section hub routes the rest.
The CSI products in this shape test
| Pack | Price | Per jar |
|---|---|---|
| Pack of 5 | ₹200.60 | ₹40.12 |
| Pack of 50 | ₹1,475.00 | ₹29.50 |
| Pack of 100 | ₹2,950.00 | ₹29.50 |
| Pack | Price | Per kg | Jars at 156.4 g wax |
|---|---|---|---|
| 500 g | ₹260.00 | ₹520.00 | 3.20 |
| 1 kg | ₹507.40 | ₹507.40 | 6.39 |
| 5 kg | ₹2,537.00 | ₹507.40 | 31.97 |
| 10 kg | ₹5,074.00 | ₹507.40 | 63.94 |
| Pack | Price | Per gram | Jars at 13.6 g |
|---|---|---|---|
| 15 g | ₹104.00 | ₹6.93 | 1.10 |
| 50 g | ₹270.00 | ₹5.40 | 3.68 |
| 100 g | ₹500.00 | ₹5.00 | 7.35 |
| 500 g | ₹2,500.00 | ₹5.00 | 36.76 |
| 1 kg | ₹4,842.00 | ₹4.84 | 73.53 |
| Pack | Price | Per ml |
|---|---|---|
| 150 ml | ₹383.00 | ₹2.55 / ml |
| 1 litre | ₹520.00 | ₹0.52 / ml |
CANDLEMAKINGSUPPLIESINDIA supplies raw materials, not finished candles. A supplier could tell you that every 200 ml jar behaves the same, or that our jar is better. We do neither: we publish no adhesion data, no internal dimensions and no glass thickness for the Salsa jar, and this page gives you the test that decides whether the shape matters in your process.
Oil prices are CSI live pricing, pulled 24 September 2026, stock re-checked 7 October 2026. Chunks, CSI 464 and CSI 468 prices are CSI live pricing, re-checked 7 October 2026; Natural Soy Pearl is CSI live pricing, re-checked 1 October 2026. Jar and IPA-spray prices are CSI live pricing, pulled 7 October 2026; wick prices are re-checked 4 October 2026, including the Eco Thin C1 10-pack being out of stock. Every candle split, per-jar figure, test-kit total and cost-per-acceptable-candle figure on this page is computed and shown to two decimals so you can check it; geometry is labelled illustrative where the dimensions are yours rather than published.
Jar counts per arm, photo checkpoints, glass-warm settings, temperature-cycle conditions, the scoring scale and every acceptance threshold are labelled working practices or your own house standard — no industry figure exists for an acceptable wet spot. All jar dimensions and the 170 g fill are illustrative; the ~0.88 g/ml wax density is a labelled approximation used only for geometry. For help building a test kit, bulk quotes, GST invoicing, MSDS or IFRA documents, message us on WhatsApp at +91 7397976926.
Frequently asked questions
- My New Jar Has Thicker Glass and the Wax Cools Differently — Should I Retest Pouring Temperature?
- Should Container Shape Be Included in Wax Qualification Rather than Assuming All 200 g Jars Behave Similarly?
- My Wax Works Beautifully in One Jar Supplier's Glass but Poorly in Another Jar with the Same Diameter — Can Glass Composition or Thickness Matter?
- I Changed Jar Suppliers and Suddenly Developed Wet Spots — Should I Validate the New Container Before Changing My Wax Formulation?
- How Do I Compare Candle Waxes for Adhesion Without Accidentally Changing Multiple Formulation Variables at Once?
- How Do I Choose a Container Wax Using Glass Adhesion, Fragrance Compatibility, Frosting, Hot Throw, Burn Quality and Indian Climate Stability Together?
- My Soy Wax Pulls Away from the Glass Around the Middle of the Jar but Stays Attached at the Top and Bottom — Why?
- Should Every New Candle Vessel Receive a Small Adhesion Test Before I Buy Thousands of Jars?
Customer reviews: The six reviews at the top of this page are genuine, published Judge.me reviews left by CSI customers on the product pages named on each card — Eco Candle Wicks, Premium Candle Wicking Needle and Bamboo Wick Holder. They are general product reviews, not assessments of the guidance set out here. Names, star ratings, dates and products are as recorded by Judge.me and wording is unedited. "Verified buyer" appears only on the three reviews Judge.me recorded as verified — Monika Deep, Subhankar Roy and Sneha Tamang; the reviews from Ashwini, LJ and Lalitha Jagan are published but not recorded as verified, and carry no badge.
Figures used on this page: Oils — CSI live pricing, pulled 24 September 2026, stock re-checked 7 October 2026: Japanese Cherry Blossom Fragrance Oil ₹104.00 / 15 g, ₹270.00 / 50 g, ₹500.00 / 100 g, ₹2,500.00 / 500 g, ₹4,842.00 / 1 kg. Waxes — CSI live pricing, re-checked 7 October 2026 (Natural Soy Pearl re-checked 1 October 2026): Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 ₹260.00 / 500 g, ₹507.40 / 1 kg, ₹2,537.00 / 5 kg, ₹5,074.00 / 10 kg. Jars and accessories, CSI live pricing, pulled 7 October 2026: Clear Glass Jar with Golden Lid (150 gram) ₹944.00 / 10, ₹1,888.00 / 20 (pack of 20 in limited stock); Borosilicate Glass Jar 600 gram ₹200.00 each (limited stock); 200 ml Salsa Glass Jar ₹200.60 / 5, ₹1,475.00 / 50, ₹2,950.00 / 100; Yankee Glass Jar 130 ml ₹47.20 each; Mini Glass Jars 40 ml (black lid) ₹129.80 / 5, ₹634.25 / 25, ₹1,180.00 / 50, ₹2,124.00 / 100; White Matte Glass Jar ₹354.00 / 5, ₹708.00 / 10; Isopropyl Alcohol Spray ₹383.00 / 150 ml, ₹520.00 / 1 litre. Wicks re-checked 4 October 2026: Eco Candle Wicks Thin C1 ₹118.00 / 20, ₹295.00 / 50, ₹590.00 / 100, ₹2,950.00 / 500, ₹5,900.00 / 1000 (10-pack out of stock); Eco Candle Wicks Thick C2 ₹94.40 / 10, ₹188.80 / 20, ₹472.00 / 50, ₹944.00 / 100, ₹4,720.00 / 500, ₹9,440.00 / 1000; Cotton Braided Wicks Ready Made ₹120.00 / 10, ₹600.00 / 50, ₹1,200.00 / 100, ₹6,000.00 / 500, ₹12,000.00 / 1000; wick stickers ₹100.00 / 40. Tools: Candle Making Weighing Scale ₹354.00; Pen Thermometer ₹354.00 (measures wax, not glass).
Non-price figures and assumptions: Load convention: fragrance load is a share of the finished candle (oil = W × L; wax = W × (1 − L)). Illustrative candle: 170 g at 8% (13.6 g oil + 156.4 g wax) in both jars; the Salsa fill weight is not published. Geometry uses illustrative internal dimensions (6.5 cm straight, 7.5 cm straight, 6.0 → 8.0 cm flared), straight-sided frustum formulas and an approximate wax density of 0.88 g/ml. Working practices: 3 jars per arm, 5% pour loss, five zones × four sides, example 0–3 zone scale, photo checkpoints at pour day, 48 hours, 7 days, after a temperature cycle and 30 days. Production cost uses the 10 kg wax and 1 kg oil rates and the Salsa 100-pack; Eco Thin C1 is an example wick line. What CSI's product pages state (quoted, not CSI test results): Luxury Soy Wax Chunks — maximum fragrance load 13%, fragrance addition 80–90°C, pour 75–80°C in the spec table (the step list also shows 70–80°C), stir 2 minutes, cure minimum 48 hours, ideally 1–2 weeks, and "excellent adhesion to glass and container surfaces reduces wet spots and pull-away"; Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 — fragrance load up to 10%, an 80–90°C melt/pour working range, "excellent glass adhesion", single-pour, low frosting; Premium Coconut Soy Wax CSI 468 — melting point 50–53°C, pour 58–60°C, fragrance load up to 13%, "formulated for excellent glass adhesion and a one-pour finish"; Natural Soy Pearl — no fragrance ceiling, temperature, cure or adhesion statement published. Clear Glass Jar with Golden Lid (150 gram) — thick-walled clear glass, approximately 150 g wax fill, about 8 cm tall with lid, rim about 7 cm, base about 6.5 cm, "safe for hot pour up to 85°C". All three wax pages make the same adhesion claim, so the claim cannot rank them. CSI publishes no adhesion, wet-spot, shrinkage, contraction or frosting data for any wax, oil, dye or jar, no glass thickness in millimetres, no internal jar diameters and no wick-size-per-jar chart; no industry acceptance threshold for wet spots exists. Mechanisms (wax contraction as it cools and crystallises, glass temperature, cooling rate, residues, temperature cycling, load and dye effects) are general candle-making knowledge, phrased as commonly described. Material costs exclude labour, packaging, freight and GST. Diwali 2026 falls on Sunday 8 November.