My Jar Supplier Changed the Internal Diameter Slightly While Keeping the Same External Dimensions — Should I Treat It as a New Candle System for Wick Testing?
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When is it a new system? Our trigger rule (judgement): pool area more than about 15% different at any height, the base more than about 2 mm thicker or thinner, a changed shape or glass, or the fill line no longer holding your labelled fill. Any one of those means a new wick bracket and full life. Smaller changes are a screen or a group retest; changes inside the old lot's own spread are logged and accepted.
Why does "slightly" matter? In our worked example a wall 1.2 mm thicker and a base 3 mm thicker leave the outside untouched but take 2.4 mm off the inside at the rim (-8.7% of pool), add 52 g of glass and cut the water to the fill line by about 13.5%. The old 125 g fill no longer fits.
What does the check cost? Time and a scale (₹354.00, or yours). If the lot triggers, the 6 cm bracket in our example costs ₹946.61 in materials.
- Straight answer: measure, then apply the trigger
- Same outside, different candle
- The incoming-lot measurement sheet
- Lot A against lot B: a worked example
- The trigger rule: same, changed or new system
- If the lot triggers: the new-system bracket
- Habits that make lot changes cheap
- Buying for lot control
- Frequently asked questions
Same outside, different candle
A jar's outside dimensions are what suppliers describe and what your packaging is built around, so a supplier can change the glass and honestly say "same size". None of CSI's 72 container listings states an internal diameter, and many jar listings describe the outside or don't say which. If the wall gets thicker with the outside held, every inside measurement shrinks; if the base gets thicker, the whole candle sits higher. Neither shows from the shelf. Why the outside figure is the wrong one for wicks in the first place is the external-versus-internal post.
Four things change for the wick when the inside changes. Pool area (π r² on the inside radius) shrinks or grows with the square of the diameter. Reach: a centred wick's distance to the wall changes by half the diameter change. Fill: the same fill line holds a different weight, so either the label weight changes or the fill line does. Base: a thicker base lifts the wick tab and the final centimetre, and thick glass bases are commonly linked to different heat behaviour near the end of a burn (a tendency; see the thick-base post). A wick approved in lot A was approved for all four of lot A's numbers.
The incoming-lot measurement sheet
Keep a sheet for every lot of every jar you produce in, and keep the approval lot's numbers as the reference row, ideally with a few jars from that lot retained, unfilled, so you can re-measure them. The fields below are the minimum we would keep; the sampling numbers are our judgement for a small brand.
| Field | How | When | Why it matters to the wick |
|---|---|---|---|
| Lot ID, supplier, date received, cartons, jars in lot | Delivery note and carton labels | once per lot | traceability |
| Jars sampled and which cartons they came from | Pick 5 from at least 2 cartons (judgement) | once per lot | one carton can hide a mould change |
| Outside diameter at the rim | Ruler or callipers, two directions | each sampled jar | proves "same outside" |
| Inside diameter at the rim, two directions | Inside edge to inside edge through the centre | each sampled jar | the pool at burn 1 |
| Inside diameter at mid-height and about 1 cm above the base | Card strip curled inside: overlap length ÷ 3.14 | each sampled jar | the pool lower down; shows taper |
| Wall at the lip | Callipers (CSI does not list any); or outside minus inside, halved | each sampled jar | cross-check of the two diameters |
| Base thickness | Ruler to the inside floor and to the outside bottom; difference | each sampled jar | where the wick tab sits and how the last centimetre burns |
| Overall height | Ruler on a flat surface | each sampled jar | fill line and headspace |
| Empty-jar weight | Tared scale | each sampled jar | more glass with the same outside means less inside |
| Water to your fill line | Tared scale, water poured to the marked line | each sampled jar | what the jar holds; wax ≈ 0.86–0.9 × water (rule of thumb) |
| Glass: colour, coating, seams, chips, lid fit | Look and try the lid | each sampled jar | a different glass is a different system |
| Comparison with the approval lot, and the verdict | Lot means and ranges against the reference row | once per lot | same, changed or new system |
Measuring one jar
Five jars from a lot of 288 is 1.7% of it: enough to catch a mould change or a shifted wall, not enough to catch a rare flaw, which is a separate inspection. If the five disagree with each other by more than the approval lot did, measure five more before deciding; a mixed lot may need sorting. The measurements to compare when you switch to a different supplier are the supplier-switch post; this sheet is for the same jar arriving in a new lot.
Lot A against lot B: a worked example
A maker approved a single-wick build in lot A of a 60 mm × 80 mm glass: Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 at 8%, a 125 g fill (10 g oil + 115 g wax) and Eco C1. Lot B arrives with identical outside figures. The five-jar means:
| Measure | Lot A | Lot B | Change | What it means |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Outside diameter | 60.0 mm | 60.0 mm | none | same outside |
| Wall at the lip | 3 mm | 4.2 mm | +1.2 mm | outside − 2 × wall = 54.0 and 51.6 mm |
| Inside at the rim | 54.0 mm | 51.6 mm | −2.4 mm | pool 22.90 → 20.91 cm² (-8.7%) |
| Inside at mid-height | 53.6 mm | 51.2 mm | −2.4 mm | pool 22.56 → 20.59 cm² (-8.8%) |
| Inside 1 cm above the base | 53.0 mm | 50.4 mm | −2.6 mm | pool 22.06 → 19.95 cm² (-9.6%) |
| Taper (rim minus near-base) | 1.0 mm | 1.2 mm | +0.2 mm | shape similar |
| Base thickness | 6 mm | 9 mm | +3.0 mm | wick tab and the last centimetre sit 3 mm higher |
| Empty-jar weight | 142 g | 194 g | +52 g (37%) | the fastest single warning |
| Water to a fill line 12 mm below the rim | about 139.4 g | about 120.5 g | -13.5% | wax column 62 → 59 mm |
| Wax to that line (0.86–0.9 × water) | about 120 g–125 g | about 104 g–108 g | — | the approved 125 g fill no longer fits |
Read it top to bottom. The outside is unchanged, so the box, the label and the shelf are happy. The wall is 1.2 mm thicker, which takes 2.4 mm off the inside at the rim and 2.6 mm near the base: a pool -8.7% smaller at the top and -9.6% smaller near the bottom. The base is 3.0 mm thicker, so the wick tab and the last centimetre of wax sit 3 mm higher in the glass. The empty jar is 52 g heavier, the single fastest warning on the sheet. And the water to the same fill line is -13.5% different, so the approved 125 g no longer fits below that line: our worked example drops lot B to 100 g (8 g oil + 92 g wax), 25 g less candle per jar, which changes the product, its label weight (net-quantity rules apply; check current Legal Metrology requirements, not legal advice) and its price per gram to your customer.
The trigger rule: same, changed or new system
| Verdict | Any one of these | What you do |
|---|---|---|
| New candle system | Pool area more than about 15% different at any height; base more than about 2 mm thicker or thinner; taper reversed or the shape changed; different glass, colour or coating; your labelled fill no longer fits below the fill line | Fresh wick bracket in the new lot and full life before production; re-set the fill weight and label |
| Changed system: triage | Pool area about 5–15% different at any height, everything else inside the limits above | Retest group representatives and borderline oils through full life, carry the rest with a production check (the triage in the 7.5 to 8 cm post) |
| Changed system: screen | Pool area about 2–5% different, everything else inside the limits | Screen one representative per oil group over burns 1–3; burn one candle from the first production batch to full life |
| Same system, watch | Pool area under about 2% different, but the five jars spread more than the approval lot did | Accept; burn one candle from the first production batch to full life; measure ten jars from the next lot |
| Same system | Every figure inside the approval lot's own spread | Accept and log the sheet |
The area bands match the ones this cluster uses for a deliberate jar change: under about 5% is lot-variation territory, a deliberate 5 mm step lands around 14%, and over 15% is a different jar. The 2% line is ours, so that a lot sitting inside its own measuring error is not sent to the burn bench. The base and fill triggers are what make this rule specific to supplier drift: a supplier holding the outside can move glass into the base without changing the rim much, and neither shows in a rim measurement alone. In the worked example, lot B's pool change (-8.7% to -9.6%) would only make it a changed system, but the 3.0 mm base and the fill that no longer fits each trigger a new one.
If the lot triggers: the new-system bracket
For lot B the bracket runs in lot B jars at the new fill, with the old lot as a control: three candles on the approved Eco C1, three on Eco C2 (one rung up, because the inside is smaller but the base and fill changed too, and the direction is not obvious), plus two lot A candles on C1 at the old fill as the reference. At about 5 cm inside, C1 → C2 is CSI's whole honest bracket; Cotton Braided's page describes it for candles "exceeding 8 cm". The costing uses Citrus Lemon Fragrance Oil as a stand-in house oil (page: "candles (6-10%)"); use your own.
| Item | Size bought | Used | Cost of what is used |
|---|---|---|---|
| Citrus Lemon Fragrance Oil | 100 g, ₹300.00 (₹3.00 a gram) | 68 g (32 g left) | ₹204.00 |
| Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 | 1 kg, ₹507.40 | 782 g (218 g left) | ₹396.79 |
| Eco C1 · Eco C2 | C1 20 ₹118.00 (10-pack out of stock) · C2 10 ₹94.40 | 5 C1 (15 spare) · 3 C2 (7 spare) | ₹29.50 · ₹28.32 |
| Lot B jars (here, a shot-glass-style 60 mm jar) | one pack at ₹288.00, if it holds six | 6 jars | ₹288.00 |
| Bracket, materials consumed | 8 candles | ₹946.61 |
Costs exclude labour, freight, packaging and GST, and the lot A control jars are ones you already hold. Starting with none of the oil, wax or wicks, the cash outlay is ₹1,019.80 plus the lot B jars. Pour all eight on one day, cure them identically, burn in still air within sight, and log the same lines as the original approval so the records compare. CSI 464's page states "Pour Temperature 80°C – 90°C"; with no heat figure on a jar page, pour at the low end and pre-warm clean jars (judgement). Approve only after full life to about 1 cm left, with the glass watched and never touched; the raised base makes the final centimetre the part to watch, and the bottom-zone screen in the bottom-zone post can show it early without replacing full life.
| Lot B on C1 | Lot B on C2 | Decision |
|---|---|---|
| Passes, matching the lot A controls | Runs hotter | Keep C1 for lot B at the new fill; update the build sheet and label |
| Fails (ring, small pool) | Passes, calm | C2 for lot B; keep the lots separate in stock and on the sheet |
| Fails | Passes the ring, fails on heat late | The answer sits between C1 and C2, where CSI lists no sized, tabbed wick: ask us, consider another supplier's wick, or go back to the jar supplier |
| Either passes, but the controls behave differently from the original approval | — | Something else moved (wax lot, room, oil lot): investigate before trusting the lot comparison |
Whether two rungs are enough to call the bracket closed is the bracket-closure post; how a slight first-burn ring in a 6 cm jar should be read before any wick change is the 6–7 cm hub.
Habits that make lot changes cheap
Keep reference jars. Hold back a few empty jars from every approval lot, labelled, so a new lot can be compared against glass, not memory. Ask for lot or batch codes on the carton and write them on the sheet; ask your supplier to tell you before a mould or glass change. Never mix lots in one production run until the sheet says "same system": a mixed run turns a measurable lot difference into random complaints. Store the sheets with your burn data so the next wick decision starts from evidence; organising hundreds of results is the burn-data post. A changed glass that kept the same listed capacity has its own diagnostic, the changed-glass post.
If your supplier's lots keep drifting, the honest fix may be a second, steadier source rather than endless retests, or a single standard jar measured hard every time (the one-jar post). CSI's own jar listings describe dimensions without stating inside diameters, walls or bases, so the same sheet applies to jars bought from us: measure our lots the way you measure anyone's.
Buying for lot control
Four items, chosen on page wording, price and stock on 29 September 2026. CSI publishes no wick-performance data and no jar lot dimensions, so nothing here is ranked on burn results or glass quality.
| Pack | Price | Per jar | In this test |
|---|---|---|---|
| One pack (title: 6 · description: five) | ₹288.00 | ₹48.00 if 6 · ₹57.60 if 5 | six lot B jars for the bracket; confirm the count before you plan |
| Item | Price | Per unit | Use |
|---|---|---|---|
| Single | ₹354.00 | ₹354.00 | empty weight and water to the fill line, every sampled jar |
| Pack | Price | Per wick | In this test |
|---|---|---|---|
| C1 10 | ₹59.00 — Out of stock | ₹5.90 | Out of stock on 29 September 2026 |
| C1 20 | ₹118.00 | ₹5.90 | 3 lot B candles + 2 lot A controls, 15 spare |
| C2 10 | ₹94.40 | ₹9.44 | 3 lot B candles, 7 spare |
| C1 50 to 1,000 · C2 20 to 1,000 | from ₹188.80 | same per wick | production, after the new system passes full life |
| Pack | Price | Per jar | In this test |
|---|---|---|---|
| Pack of 1 | ₹47.20 | ₹47.20 | a single jar to measure as a second-source reference |
| Pack of 5 | ₹236.00 | ₹47.20 | flat per jar; no saving over singles |
CandleMakingSuppliesIndia sells jars, wicks, wax and oils and does not sell finished candles. This page tells you to measure CSI's jar lots as carefully as anyone's, flags a pack-count discrepancy on one of our own listings, and says most lots will need no purchase at all.
Every price was verified on CSI's live store on 29 September 2026, with stock checked per size: the Eco C1 10-pack is out of stock on that date and flagged where it appears. Jar dimensions, capacities and heat wording are quoted from the listings, none of which states an inside diameter, wall or base.
The lot A and lot B measurements, weights, fills, sample size and trigger thresholds are our worked example or judgement; the water figures are cylinder geometry on the mean diameter, an approximation; the wax-to-water ratio is a commonly cited rule of thumb, and CSI publishes no wick-performance data. For bulk pricing, GST invoicing, and MSDS and IFRA documentation on request, message us on WhatsApp at +91 7397976926.
Frequently asked questions
- I Want to Change My Jar from 7.5 cm to 8 cm Internal Diameter — Is a 5 mm Difference Enough to Justify Retesting Every Fragrance?
- I Use the Same 8 cm Jar Across My Collection — How Much Inventory Complexity Can I Eliminate by Standardising the Container Before Optimising Wicks?
- I’m Using a 6 cm Diameter Jar with Soy Wax and 8% Lavender Fragrance Oil — My Candle Tunnels Slightly on the First Burn; Should I Increase the Wick or Continue Testing?
- My 7 cm Candle Passes a Two-Hour Test but Overheats Near the Bottom — Why Would a Wick Appear Correct Early in the Burn and Oversized Later?
- I’m Choosing a Wick for a 7 cm Soy Candle — How Many Adjacent Wick Sizes Should I Test Before Selecting One for Commercial Production?
- I Want to Reduce the Number of Wick SKUs in My Candle Business — How Do I Standardise Without Forcing Every Fragrance into an Unsuitable Wick?
- I Have Hundreds of Burn-Test Results Across Different Jars and Fragrances — How Should I Organise the Data so Future Wick Selection Becomes Faster Rather than Starting from Zero?
- I’m Comparing Two Wick Suppliers for Commercial Production — What Should I Record Beyond Melt-Pool Diameter to Determine Which Wick Actually Performs Better?
Customer reviews: The six reviews at the top of this page are genuine, published Judge.me reviews left by CSI customers on the product pages named on each card — Black Glass Jar with Black Lid (150 gram) (Deliveries Starting 5th Dec), Black Matte Glass Jar, Clear Glass Jar with Golden Lid (150 gram), Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 (Flakes Form) For Container Candles, Tin Containers for Candle Making - 85 & 135g, White Matte Glass Jar. They are general product reviews, not assessments of the wick advice on this page. Names, star ratings, dates and products are as recorded by Judge.me and wording is unedited. "Verified buyer" appears only on reviews Judge.me recorded as verified — Jinal Monil, Soumili Gope, Biny Abraham, Tina Lynette Lazaro Moganti, Thenirvaofficial. The reviews from Ashwini are published but not recorded as verified, and carry no badge. Reviews below five stars are included as published, not filtered out.
Figures verified 29 September 2026, CSI live pricing: Shot Glass Jar (Pack of 6) 130gram ₹288.00 (title says 6, description says five: ₹48.00 or ₹57.60 a jar); Candle Making Weighing Scale ₹354.00; Eco Candle Wicks Thin (C1) 10 ₹59.00 (out of stock), 20 ₹118.00; Thick (C2) 10 ₹94.40, 20 ₹188.80; Black Shiny Glass Jar with Golden Lid pack of 1 ₹47.20, pack of 5 ₹236.00; Citrus Lemon Fragrance Oil 100 g ₹300.00; Luxury Soy Wax CSI 464 1 kg ₹507.40. Every other size named is in stock on 29 September 2026. Per unit = price ÷ jars, wicks or grams, two decimals.
Non-price figures: lot A and lot B dimensions, weights and the 12 mm fill line are worked-example measurements; pool area = π r² on the inside radius; water to the fill line is cylinder geometry on the mean of the rim and near-base diameters (approximate); wax ≈ 0.86–0.9 × water is a commonly cited rule of thumb. Load is a percentage of total candle weight (125 g at 8% = 10 g oil + 115 g wax; 100 g = 8 g + 92 g). The sampling plan and trigger thresholds are judgement. CSI 464 up to 10%, pour 80–90°C. Costs exclude labour, freight, packaging and GST. Net-quantity labelling: check current Legal Metrology requirements; not legal advice. Diwali 8 November 2026 is a calendar fact.